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Ali bi bilo dobro pred odločitvijo za ali proti Evru izvesti referendum z odprto in uravnoteženo razpravo? |
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Poljaki bodo imeli referendum
Slovenci pa raje preganjajo Cigane po njivah. |
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Pridružen/-a: 10.11. 2006, 18:49 Prispevkov: 3245
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Vsak kar zna in obvlada.
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Zato, ker imamo od vekomaj najbolj prave ljudi na najbolj pravih mestih, ki za nas najbolj prav odločijo, kaj je za nas najbolj prav. |
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Objavljeno: 14 Nov 2006 19:16 Naslov sporočila: Lep opis demokracije! |
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Zato, ker imamo od vekomaj najbolj prave ljudi na najbolj pravih mestih, ki za nas najbolj prav odločijo, kaj je za nas najbolj prav. |
Vse slabosti so se ponovno pokazale na teh volitvah. Če so volitve nekaj najbolj demokratičnega, se vse podre po volitvah. Boste videli - izvoljeni župani bodo začeli sklepati najbolj nemogoče koalicije in dogovore pod mizo!  |
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Objavljeno: 14 Nov 2006 19:44 Naslov sporočila: Re: Lep opis demokracije! |
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Dorje je napisal/a: |
Čukica je napisal/a: |
Zato, ker imamo od vekomaj najbolj prave ljudi na najbolj pravih mestih, ki za nas najbolj prav odločijo, kaj je za nas najbolj prav. |
Vse slabosti so se ponovno pokazale na teh volitvah. Če so volitve nekaj najbolj demokratičnega, se vse podre po volitvah. Boste videli - izvoljeni župani bodo začeli sklepati najbolj nemogoče koalicije in dogovore pod mizo!  |
Dorje, mogoče je pa čas, da nehamo zapravljat čas zaradi politike in se pogovarjamo kaj bolj prijetnega kaj misliš?
Sem že mislila v zvezi s tabo objavit naslednje verze (ne moje):
Gospodo draga, on je nestao bez traga
i to celoj priči daje čudan ton.
Neki se džambasi kleli da su kod Sombora sreli
jednog tipa što je bio isti on. |
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Objavljeno: 14 Nov 2006 19:54 Naslov sporočila: Sem proti razpravi in za Evro |
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Zdravo
Edino menjalno razmerje bi imel 1:1.
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Pridružen/-a: 14.11. 2006, 10:13 Prispevkov: 4904
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Objavljeno: 14 Nov 2006 20:06 Naslov sporočila: Re: Lep opis demokracije! |
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Čukica je napisal/a: |
Dorje je napisal/a: |
Čukica je napisal/a: |
Zato, ker imamo od vekomaj najbolj prave ljudi na najbolj pravih mestih, ki za nas najbolj prav odločijo, kaj je za nas najbolj prav. |
Vse slabosti so se ponovno pokazale na teh volitvah. Če so volitve nekaj najbolj demokratičnega, se vse podre po volitvah. Boste videli - izvoljeni župani bodo začeli sklepati najbolj nemogoče koalicije in dogovore pod mizo!  |
Dorje, mogoče je pa čas, da nehamo zapravljat čas zaradi politike in se pogovarjamo kaj bolj prijetnega kaj misliš?
Sem že mislila v zvezi s tabo objavit naslednje verze (ne moje):
Gospodo draga, on je nestao bez traga
i to celoj priči daje čudan ton.
Neki se džambasi kleli da su kod Sombora sreli
jednog tipa što je bio isti on. |
Se popolnoma strinjam!
A kaj, ko *many runs the world* in politika tudi! In ker je moj popotniški kombi star že 15 let in ga rja gloda na vseh koncih, sem moral malo zaslužiti, da ga pomladim. In po drugem obisku Matroka sem se presedel v šleperja in že več kot mesec je moj urnik takšen: v nedeljo zvečer štartam v Revin v Franciji, v Luxemburgu naložim za Nemčijo, od tu pa za Slovenijo in sem v sredo doma, prepnem, sem 4 ure doma in zvečer štartam za Dansko in sem v soboto dopoldan doma! Takšen tempo je dokaj hud, a navrže do 700.ooo sit/messec. Poleg tega pa popolnoma prenavljam internetno stran in prebiram slikovni materijal (5000 posnetkov!) in to je zamudno delo, še posebno, ker te vsak posnetek na kaj spominja! Prav zato sem si vzel 2 dni časa in v sredo že letim proti Danski! Vmes pa kaj konstruktivnega pogruntajte!
LP!
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Čukica je napisal/a: |
Dorje je napisal/a: |
Čukica je napisal/a: |
Zato, ker imamo od vekomaj najbolj prave ljudi na najbolj pravih mestih, ki za nas najbolj prav odločijo, kaj je za nas najbolj prav. |
Vse slabosti so se ponovno pokazale na teh volitvah. Če so volitve nekaj najbolj demokratičnega, se vse podre po volitvah. Boste videli - izvoljeni župani bodo začeli sklepati najbolj nemogoče koalicije in dogovore pod mizo!  |
Dorje, mogoče je pa čas, da nehamo zapravljat čas zaradi politike in se pogovarjamo kaj bolj prijetnega kaj misliš?
Sem že mislila v zvezi s tabo objavit naslednje verze (ne moje):
Gospodo draga, on je nestao bez traga
i to celoj priči daje čudan ton.
Neki se džambasi kleli da su kod Sombora sreli
jednog tipa što je bio isti on. |
--je pa zato nadaljevanje toliko bolj politicno-ekonomsko --- đaba vam novi moji sinovci -- đaba vam bilo dobre volje -- i pogledi čvrst, lepljivi prsti -- ja ipak VARAM malo bolje....  |
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Objavljeno: 14 Nov 2006 21:01 Naslov sporočila: Re: Lep opis demokracije! |
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marmije je napisal/a: |
Čukica je napisal/a: |
Dorje je napisal/a: |
Čukica je napisal/a: |
Zato, ker imamo od vekomaj najbolj prave ljudi na najbolj pravih mestih, ki za nas najbolj prav odločijo, kaj je za nas najbolj prav. |
Vse slabosti so se ponovno pokazale na teh volitvah. Če so volitve nekaj najbolj demokratičnega, se vse podre po volitvah. Boste videli - izvoljeni župani bodo začeli sklepati najbolj nemogoče koalicije in dogovore pod mizo!  |
Dorje, mogoče je pa čas, da nehamo zapravljat čas zaradi politike in se pogovarjamo kaj bolj prijetnega kaj misliš?
Sem že mislila v zvezi s tabo objavit naslednje verze (ne moje):
Gospodo draga, on je nestao bez traga
i to celoj priči daje čudan ton.
Neki se džambasi kleli da su kod Sombora sreli
jednog tipa što je bio isti on. |
--je pa zato nadaljevanje toliko bolj politicno-ekonomsko --- đaba vam novi moji sinovci -- đaba vam bilo dobre volje -- i pogledi čvrst, lepljivi prsti -- ja ipak VARAM malo bolje....  |
marmije je napisal/a: |
Čukica je napisal/a: |
Dorje je napisal/a: |
Čukica je napisal/a: |
Zato, ker imamo od vekomaj najbolj prave ljudi na najbolj pravih mestih, ki za nas najbolj prav odločijo, kaj je za nas najbolj prav. |
Vse slabosti so se ponovno pokazale na teh volitvah. Če so volitve nekaj najbolj demokratičnega, se vse podre po volitvah. Boste videli - izvoljeni župani bodo začeli sklepati najbolj nemogoče koalicije in dogovore pod mizo!  |
Dorje, mogoče je pa čas, da nehamo zapravljat čas zaradi politike in se pogovarjamo kaj bolj prijetnega kaj misliš?
Sem že mislila v zvezi s tabo objavit naslednje verze (ne moje):
Gospodo draga, on je nestao bez traga
i to celoj priči daje čudan ton.
Neki se džambasi kleli da su kod Sombora sreli
jednog tipa što je bio isti on. |
--je pa zato nadaljevanje toliko bolj politicno-ekonomsko --- đaba vam novi moji sinovci -- đaba vam bilo dobre volje -- i pogledi čvrst, lepljivi prsti -- ja ipak VARAM malo bolje....  |
Ne mi kvarit razpoloženja, buba.
Ma kaj ti jaz vem, nekaj čudnega se dogaja z mano, kot bi postala neka ženska verzija hipuzlarskega nobodyja, sami verzi mi prihajajo na pamet. Evo, ob dogajanju tudi na tem forumu me prime, da bi za Gibbonijem pela (a capella):
.... moglo bi bit, da je lakše umrit,
nego ljudima reć oprosti.
Grem iz te teme, preden pride Blaž in me nafora, ker mu miniram temo. |
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Objavljeno: 14 Nov 2006 21:02 Naslov sporočila: Jao - tud tle nas je najdu večni študentek ??? |
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Butlji z blaženim na čelu. V kolikor še ne veste se je Slovenija v času vladanja raszvetljenih LDS in ZLSD in podobnih humanitarcev za svoj žep - obvezala , da v primeru prevzema Eura ne izvajamo referendumov in podobnih Brede = Bede volitvenih bedarij glede Eura.
Kanede - velesposobni Blaženi poznavatelj EU ????
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Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
Facta non verba. |
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Objavljeno: 14 Nov 2006 21:04 Naslov sporočila: Re: Lep opis demokracije! |
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Dorje je napisal/a: |
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Zato, ker imamo od vekomaj najbolj prave ljudi na najbolj pravih mestih, ki za nas najbolj prav odločijo, kaj je za nas najbolj prav. |
Vse slabosti so se ponovno pokazale na teh volitvah. Če so volitve nekaj najbolj demokratičnega, se vse podre po volitvah. Boste videli - izvoljeni župani bodo začeli sklepati najbolj nemogoče koalicije in dogovore pod mizo!  |
No - končno en forum razen starga DF-ja , ki ga kolkor tolko obvladaš . Hehehehe !
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Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
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Btw - ti ki nimaš volje niti ciganov po njivah preganjat - si se že vpisal na Evropsko pravo v Novi Gorici ???
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Objavljeno: 15 Nov 2006 04:37 Naslov sporočila: Pa preberi si se to, krepelo ponorelo!!!! |
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Otrpla vezalka, preberi si se nekaj takega:
http://indemgroup.org/fileadmin/user_upload/groupdocs/euwatch/euwatch03-oct-nov2006.pdf
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In any case, if the Union does not succeed in minimizing the risk, the MU could collapse. This is the central message of Prof. De Grauwe in an interview given to the Flemish newspaper De Morgen on 18 March 2006. Prof. De Grauwe is, as one of the most distinguished monetary economists, also a member of the Group for Economic Policy Analysis, which is advising EC President Barroso. He was also a member of the Belgian Senate until 2003. EUWatch is grateful to De Morgen for authorization to publish this interview in English.
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Since the rejection of the European Constitution, Europe has been evolving towards a large freetrade area. You must be pleased about that?
‘A large free-trade area remains the only feasible option for Europe. It is an illusion that we can achieve political union in Europe in the near future.
Political unification has failed – but this poses a serious problem for monetary union. The latter is at risk. Political union is the logical end point of monetary union. If that political union fails to materialise, then in the long term the euro area cannot continue to exist.’
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So this means that we have two options: either more political union and a centralised budget, or face the foreseeable economic and social problems.
That is right. That is the choice we have. If we want to keep the eurozone as an entity, then in a way we are condemned to move forward towards political union. If we do not want political integration then the future of the eurozone in the longer run is at stake.
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Anthony Coughlan pa pravi:
WHY COUNTRIES NEED THEIR OWN CURRENCIES
It is not sentiment, but enlightened self-interest, that makes people want to hold on to their national currencies. It is democracy in other words, the
desire for national independence and self-rule. All independent States have their own currencies. All currencies belong to independent States. Possession of its own currency enables a government to control the rate of interest, which is the domestic price of a currency, and with that the money supply and volume of credit in an economy, so that these may serve the interests of its citizens. Or to control the foreign exchange rate, the price of a currency in terms of other currencies, which governs the terms on which a country conducts its foreign trade and which can be vital for its economic competitiveness.
These policies are now decided for the 12 Member States of the eurozone by the European Central Bank in Frankfurt - theoretically in the interests of the eurozone as a whole, in practice in the interests of Germany and France, who make up half the eurozone's population.
Is was therefore no wonder that in September 2003 the people of Sweden, one of the most educated and politically sophisticated in Europe, said No to jumping into the eurozone's economic Black Hole by 56% to 42% on a turnout of 81% of voters.
For this reason most monetary economists believe that the euro is bound to fail, although it could last years or even decades, as the rouble and thaler did, while generating policy conflicts and international tensions as long as it does last. In fact the euro is likely to make the national question, the right of nations and peoples to self-rule and self-determination, the principal issue of European politics for years to come.
This will happen as countries which in the past possessed empires and which through them suppressed the national independence of others,
discover the drawbacks of being ruled by foreigners, that is, by people they do not elect, who are not responsible to them and who pursue policies that are against the basic interests of their citizens.
1998
“The single currency is the greatest abandonment of sovereignty since the foundation of the European Community ... it is a decision of an essentially political nature. We need this United Europe... we must never forget that the Euro is an instrument for this project.”
Felipe Gonzalez, Socialist Prime Minister of Spain from 1982 to 1996.
May 1998.
1999
“The single market was the theme of the Eighties. The single currency was the theme of the Nineties. We must now face the difficult task of moving towards a single economy, a single political unity.”
Romano Prodi, EU Commission President, speech to European Parliament, 14 April 1999.
1999
“On 1 January 1999 with the introduction of the Euro ... an important part of national sovereignty, to wit monetary sovereignty, was passed over to a European institution ... The introduction of a common currency is not primarily an economic, but rather a sovereign and thus eminently political act... political union must be our lodestar from now on: it is the logical
follow-on from Economic and Monetary Union.”
Joschka Fischer, German Foreign Minister and Vice Chancellor since 1998. Former Communist firebrand and photographed beater-up of a policeman (ironically called Mr Marx).
Speech to the European Parliament, January 1999
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IN THE SWEDISH REFERENDUM ON THE EURO IN 2003, THE ‘YES’ CAMPAIGN HAD FINANCIAL RESOURCES, ACCESS TO THE MEDIA AND THE SUPPORT OF THE POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT.
DESPITE THESE FACTS, THE ‘NO’ SIDE WON AN OVERWHELMING
VICTORY. IN THIS ARTICLE, MARKUS NYMAN, ANALYSES THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN AND REFLECTS ON THE REASONS FOR THIS HISTORIC RESULT.
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The families, and corporations, of the CFR control most of the world’s wealth, and, through the CFR, they control most of the world’s politics as well. Every developed country now has an “Institute of International Affairs”, which is closely linked to the CFR and to that country’s supposedly democratic government. CFRgraduates pass to and fro, between government and corporate posts, via the so-called “revolving door” between politics and commerce.
Spokesmen from the CFR, or its satellite in London - the Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA or Chatham House) - frequently appear on current affairs programmes as “independent experts”, but other agents, such as Ed Balls - at HM Treasury for many years - Henry Kissinger or Zbigniew Brzhinski, and a dozen-or-so CFRgraduates in the current Bush-administration - have been, or are, senior officials in their own right.
The infiltration of government is only a supplementary activity, however - a helping hand in the guidance of day-to-day policy. More crucial is the degree to which funding for political parties is steered to produce the kind of leadership and policies, which the CFR and its (too numerous to mention) allied organisations, consider desirable. In order to do this, senior CFR-directors and spokesmen have to meet, and discuss global policy with, heads of state, and of government, leading academics and the owners and editors of the world’s major media-networks, in an informal and, above all, secret setting - under the so-called “Chatham House rules”.
These are the little known, annual “Bilderberg Meetings”, where, among other business, the rising generation of party-leaders is vetted for suitability, so that, whichever of them manages to persuade the electorate to vote for him, the CFR’s will is always done. Despite the presence of representatives of many wellknown newspapers-of-record at these meetings, no reports of them ever appear in the press; and yet, without understanding the role of the CFR and Bilderberg, and their influence on the governments of all developed countries, and on the supra-national institutions, in which these countries are increasingly enmeshed, current affairs and recent history are inexplicable.
Andrew Stephen Reed - writer and translator, active in politics since 1985. Joined UK Independence Party 1998. Now an adviser to UKIP-MEP's in Brussels and Strasbourg.
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Ries Baeten:
As of 1 September 2006 the European Commission forwards proposals for EU legislation to 37 parliaments in 25 member states without delay. Twelve EU member states have bi-cameral parliaments; thirteen have only one. It is hard to understand why parliaments have put up with
the situation that existed until very recently for so long. The opinion that
“Brussels is a part of interior affairs” is not shared widely – not even in the Netherlands, where this slogan was introduced several years ago. Comparably, the Austrians baptised a conference in April with the slogan, “Europe starts at home”. |
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